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! am a bit of a Boatie at heart, but my cousin's trawler firightens me. Would you be the same ?
Hi Boaties,
I am well used to ski-boats & narrowboats, BUT.
Upon visiting my cousin last month in Oban, Scotland, He took me out on this trawler jobbie.
Gods, apart from the computerised equipment, there were chains & ropes flailing around.
In a heavy Rock & Roll sea.
So would you be an offshore fisherman ?
I have my doubts .......
Bob the Boat
It's not for everyone. I have seen 6'8" men cry like babies to go in when the breeze is a bit fresh. Like only 45 knots.
Deadliest Catch has similar conditions to the southern waters off Australia. Most of us have seen as rough or rougher conditions but less ice. There is a learning curve that takes a certain type of focused, fit and dedicated character - the life is pretty brutal in fact, and it is hard to work the deck after fourty. You just get slower and end up getting hurt - by that age you should be qualified enough to be less physical anyway unless you are not capable or responsible enough.
I went to Coxswain, Master 5 level and am adding yacht master, coach etc. to my tickets in the next while, to formalize what I have already been doing for decades anyway. I got out of the commercial game for family reasons - at least while I still had one - which I am pleased to state I still do.
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Does your narrowboat pull to the right ?
Hi Boaties,
Mine does, and no-one has a decent solution
OK, ignore engine / prop torque, that is for ski-boats
Rudder misalighnment - no, it it is fine
What on earth causes the fine beast to veer off if the tiller is left alone for a moment to grab of beer.
It always heads for the right side of things, in an alarming manner
I have got used to it, but >
Any notions ?
Bob the Boat
It is a phenomenon called (believe it or not) 'paddle-wheel effect'. This is distinct from propellor torque - small, high-speed propellors have so much power delivered to them so quickly by the engine that it (the engine) tends to push (lean) the vessel over in the opposite direction from the propellor, causing it to list to that side but not 'veer' to that side. It is only a problem on small, high-speed single-engined craft. On twin-screw vessels the effect is eliminated by counter-rotating propellors which cancel each other out. It is reduced on small vessels by placing the helm on the 'high' side, so the weight of the person at the controls helps offset it.
Paddle-wheel effect is different. It is typically associated with much larger, slower moving propellors such as those found on narrowboats. Rather than push the vessel over to one side, as with propellor torque, it pushes its stern to port or starboard (around, not over. Affecting steering, not stability). It is much more noticeable when going astern, as opposed to forward.
Paddle-wheel effect is a result of the fact that pressure increases significantly with depth (technically 'head' - the amount of 'head' of fluid above the point in question). In this case the point, or points, in question are the propellor blades. Blades at the bottom of their rotation are subjected to greater pressure from the water than blades at the top, therefore enabling them to produce more force than those at the top.
The net result is that the stern has a tendency to slew around, just as if it had a paddle-wheel driving it across at 90 degrees to the keel of the vessel, even though the 'paddle-wheel' in this case is totally submerged, not mostly above the waterline, as on 'stern' and 'side-wheelers'. In addition to pressure alone, propellor blades are never 100% efficient, producing ONLY forward or ONLY backward force - some of their effort actually is expended in 'paddling'.
In fact, on some single screw cargo ships - particularly oil tankers - when they are empty, the propellor is very much exposed above the waterline and they experience extreme paddle-wheel effect. For most journeys in big tankers not actually loaded with cargo, sea water is loaded in its place, to submerge the propellor again and reduce the effect.
Unfortunately the only things that helmsmen and women can do is learn to live with it and to use it, along with other factors like wind and current, to their advantage - that is, be mindful that while turns in one direction will be assisted by the propellor, turns in the opposite direction will be hindered. This knowledge can be incorporated into how the helm plans each manoeuvre, and the effect can be thus-used to advantage. Bow-thrusters can give additional help, and can even be used in conjunction with the effect, to make the vessel travel slowly sideways, in light airs!
It can be a real problem on a large (eg. 50ft to70ft) narrowboat on a windy day. If the cross-wind is not in your favour, progress can sometimes require that a crewmember walks along the towpath with either a rope, or pole to the foredeck (depending on which side the towpath is on vis-a-vis the wind direction). Of course, if the cross-wind is in your favour, (and against the effect) you will have better-than-normal steering.
Good luck and happy cruising.
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You know I get terribly seasick too – although I have to say that ski boats are fine as long as I am looking forward.
Well that's what you get with a country that has a large population advocating for "drill baby drill". I agree that BP isn't doing enough and the reality is that they're most likely only concerned about their profit and image, but it's an oil company, what do people expect? They're all like that. BP, Exxon, Chevron, etc … they're the dirtiest corporations on the planet, and unless Americans start to vouch for more renewable energy such as wind, solar, research for an alternative to gas, then these problems will only continue.
you gotta be pretty rich to a) own a boat, and b) keep a boat. mooring is expensive and most people don't have houses with space enough to keep a boat on a trailer – land is scarce here!
from going round the Southampton Boat Show for years (though I won't claim to know much about boats) I'd say the price for a decent (new) boat would be in the region of £10,000 or more… for example:
edit: I'd also say that places to go boating might be hard to find. I've been looking for places to go kayaking for a while, and its not easy to find places in the South of England as a lot of rivers or lakes are privately owned. Some are part of parks that don't allow watersports. There's a kayaking club near me on the River Itchen but their fees are too high and my spare time is too little
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